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All right, you guys, welcome, welcome to our first virtual field trip, a virtual guest speaker. I’m very excited to get to interact with you guys a little bit more semi live, right. It’s not not the same as being in the classroom together, but I’m really glad you guys you guys have made it. We have a very and we’re very fortunate today to have to have Balram here, who is a representative from the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, which is located in Pacific Beach. And he is going to talk to you guys a little bit about Hinduism. Some of you guys are in my classes where we’ve gone over Hinduism. Some of you are not a talk a little bit about the Society for Krishna consciousness in particular. And and as as Balram speaks with us, you feel free. If you have any questions, I will. We’ll have a time for for Q&A as well. Feel free to just type your question into the chat box. That’s a good way that we can just sort of keep track of all the questions and then Balram can can answer those. We can go through those during during our conversation or at the end. Of course, you can always ask your question live if you want to turn your turn your video back on or turn your audio back on. And we can we can have more of a live conversation just for for folks who weren’t in here at the very beginning when this happened. So I’m at Grossmont right now. I’m in my office at Grossmont. And a facilities gentleman just came and told me that they’re going to be doing a fire drill here in a couple of minutes. It’s just going to last fifteen or twenty minutes. But I’m going to mute myself as well once once Balram starts starts talking with us just so that they’re in case you can hear it, I don’t want you guys to to hear the fire alarm that’s going to be going on here at Grossmont. So it should just be like fifteen or twenty minutes. But I think I think that’s all that I had to all the information that I had to mention to you guys. And I would like to present to you, Leron, who is here to talk to us about Hinduism and the Hari Krishnas, were really, really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to talk to us today. So thank you. Thank you very much. And I will turn it over to you. All right.

So thank you very much for inviting me

to give this presentation. Appreciate it. So, yeah, in our initial emails. Yeah, that we’ve been going back and forth discussing this, the topics that I would discuss, you mentioned a few different things. And so I would just I think I’m just going to go through those one by one.

One of the things you mentioned was this idea of Hinduism, Hinduism, the history, diversity of it. And, of course, you know, the cover Hinduism. It’s a big topic. But I’ll just mention a few a few things about Hinduism.

I mean, generally, when people think of Hinduism, you know, people who aren’t familiar with it, those. Maybe in America or other places like that where maybe Hinduism isn’t so.

Well known like, for example, in India, I mean, if you grew up in India, probably meant a lot more about Hinduism. So analyzing this word Hindu is actually very interesting because there’s this river in India, it’s called the Sindh River and the Age will believe you. And what happened is that there was there was this river. And then on one side of the river, there was these practitioners of Islam. And and then on the other side where these.

Were these Hindus or people of practice in Hinduism means worshipping different gods and you know, all what people think of as Hinduism. So the practitioners of Islam, they actually coined the term Hindus. So they said, oh, those people on the other side of the river, they’re Hindus.

So in other words, it’s not a philosophical

term. And actually you can’t find this term. And all of the Vedas, which Vedas are the main source books of, of India, where people, you could say, get these ideas of Hinduism practiced and Hinduism largely. So, yeah, you can’t find it there. This word Hindu. So it’s a it’s a somewhat recently made up name and but it has really got it is really are people really ran with it. I mean,

yeah. As you know it’s quite clear. But going with this word, Hinduism, I mean, you have the word Hinduism and then under Hinduism, there are so many groups like innumerable groups of different means groups, where in these groups people, they have different beliefs. They have different practices like, for example, within the within the Vedas, there is mention that, OK, we have this earth where on earth now and then there’s higher planets, heavenly planets. And on those planets there are demigods, gods. But these gods are with a lower case g demigods. They’re not absolute. They’re not God, but they’re servants of love, of God, which you get into a little bit later.

So, yeah, these different groups, they’ll have Hindus, some people worship Shiva, they’re called the SkyBitz, they’re really important Lord Shiva, who’s a demigod, and some people in the dargah, she’s also like a goddess. So there’s different practices. I mean, people do all types of stuff in India under the name Hinduism, but largely within Hinduism. Most people who claim to be Hindus or Hindus, they study a particular book, name the Bhagavad Gita. So the Bhagavad Gita is a very famous book all over the world, studied throughout many universities and ketamine’s song and bugout means God. So it means the song of God. I have a copy right here.

Oh, where’d you get that one?

Oh, I knew myself, actually, the fire alarm is going off now, but it’s not that loud. I think I got this from a representative of the Krishna Consciousness Consciousness Society. I don’t think it was on this campus. I think it was on a different college campus. But I still have my copy that was given to me. Oh, nice. They had a book table or something. Yeah, I actually gave a donation for both of those books too. And the what about self actualization. And I had a few we’ve got a few book owners here. It’s a good read life. So Bhagavad Gita. This is a different, different, same different covid to older version, but yeah, it means a song of God and the reason why it’s called Song of God is because those who follow the Bhagavad Gita, they accept that that it was spoken by God or specifically by Krishna. Which, yeah, people accept Christian to be the supreme personality of Godhead, and it’s written in the Sanskrit language and the thing about the Sanskrit language, it’s all melodious. It’s like a song like, for example, there’s one there’s one verse in the second chapter of the Bhagavad Gita. And as monks, we memorize and practitioners in general, they memorize different verses. But this one day, he knows many today. Hey, come on, I’m young and I’m sure that they have to put up their animality. So, you know, there’s a rhyme to it. Which that means, as the embodied soul means, a soul that’s in this body continuously passes, means the body is changing, but the soul is staying the same, the body is changing and the soul is passing through these changing bodies with this body changing. Similarly, at the time of death, a soul the body changes the last change death and then the soul goes to another body. At reincarnation is the principle of reincarnation. So. So you have largely when people say, I’m Hindus, a lot of them, they will claim to be followers of Krishna. Followers of Christian.

So you have the history of Hinduism, it’s quite. It’s been around for quite a long time and the diversity is there. I mean, you can’t get more diverse, you know, in terms of, you know, people saying I’m Hindus of so many different ideas.

Now, in terms of iScan, the International Society for Krishna consciousness,

it was established and. In the 60s, the mid 60s. Nineteen sixty six and by. By a subjective ananthaswamy public, but is this a picture of him here and if everybody could see.

Kind of.

So. There’s he established in nineteen sixty six, so in essence, what he did is he came to America when he was in his seventieth year and he didn’t have practically any money

said like seven dollars worth of rupees, and he had one or two contacts here in America. And then eventually you started this whole movement, first in New York, then in San Francisco, Canada, all over America, Europe and all over the world. And within about 12 years, he.

He established one hundred and eight temples. And he passed away when he was eighty one and nineteen seventy seven. So from that time nineteen seventy seven to now 2020, there’s been a lot more temples, established farm communities, and it’s continuing throughout the world, actually within the realm of religion or spirituality. People who study religion, they sometimes they study the how fast a movement spreads, like how fast Christianity spread, how fast different movements spread. A religion spread and is of the international society for Christian culture is actually quite spread really fast. First of all, in the first 12 years, 108 temples, and now we have hundreds of temples all over the world, every continent. So and we’re yeah, we’re distributing millions of books. Some of you got some books.

So you could say that, yeah, that that the International Society for Krishna consciousness is the leading movement or society that is the leading movement that is distributing the message of Bhagavad Gita throughout the world.

Although our spiritual teacher, through the proper, established it, he disagreed largely. With some of the you could say, maintenant of what people know is Hinduism. Means he’s he explained based on scripture, because he’s quoting scripture, Bhagavad Gita Schulenburg, with so many other books, he’s saying that actually this demigod worship, it’s it’s a misconception means that within the Vedas, there are there’s plenty of proof that Krishna is the supreme personality of God. That means it’s actually monotheistic, like the last thing people think of it as Hinduism, as a monotheistic one. God, they think so many gods. So we as so throughout any is Contempo in the world. They all accept that, OK, Krishna is the supreme personality of Godhead, one God and then servants of Christian are the dynamic gods, Ganesh and Shiva, different gods. So you could say that’s the difference.

And.

And sometimes people say, OK, well, why Krishna or why so much focus on Krishna or why so much focus on Bhakti? So Bhakti yoga? Yoga means to link to connect. So so bhakti yoga is the process by which we connect with God or Krishna through body. Bhakta means love, devotion.

So this is you could say one of the main things that is that’s driving all of us whatever, whatever religion, whatever ethnicity, whatever place in the world, every everybody is interested and. Being loved, being appreciated. Having loving relationships, whether it’s with their parents or with their friends or with their significant others or we want we want relationships. So that’s there. So so the idea is that just as we want loving relationships in this world,

there is. The philosophy of crucial consciousness is that we could have a loving relationship with Krishna or God directly.

And just as we have left, we have relationships in this world like like I said, the parents and the children and the friends and different relationships.

Similarly, we could have these relationships with Krishna. That’s what that’s what that’s what’s explained. So in other words.

The philosophy of the Hari Krishna philosophy, you could say, it says that in the spiritual world, which there is a spiritual world, which means that it means that we just don’t have one life and that’s it. But we continue to exist. The soul continues to exist. The soul could go to the spiritual world. But in the spiritual world, it’s not impersonal. It’s it’s personal means like, for example, Krishna. It says the Christian has a spiritual body is not part of my Krishna Satchidananda and another idea, Gopinath Saarbrucken, the coroner. So a body which is eternal, full of knowledge, full of bliss. So.

So in other words, God’s a person. Just like where person’s. But, you know, the difference is that the body, the nature of the body is different, namely, it’s full of bliss and it’s eternal and full of knowledge and ours in in the bodies, in the material. But the idea is that the skull, upon reaching perfection, can actually go to the spiritual world. And in the spiritual world, they can have a relationship with Krishna. So and it’s not just like like one one relationship you can have you could have different relationships with Krishna. So it’s not that you’re just like a servant of God that’s also available, but you could also be in a parental mood with God means that you could be like a parent and Krishna is the child. And similarly, you could be like friends. With Krishna, and you could also be

like a if you feel like a female, like a lover of Krishna means like a consort or wife of Christian.

One time, anyways, one time one of my friends, he was telling me that somebody in Europe who was belonging to Catholicism. Which as a baby, I was baptized as. In that tradition.

So they were saying that in Europe, there was one person within the Catholic tradition and they were criticizing Krishna and specifically they’re saying that Krishna has so many wives. Which. Within the Vedic scriptures, within the literature, it’s true.

What can I say? It’s true.

But the idea is because he’s God, he could do that, so anyways, they were they were criticizing Christian. Oh, he’s just like licentious and, you know, so many wives, some. And then apparently, anyways, according to this, according to this account,

which in many ways I believe to be true because all types of things happen, but the Hari Krishna practitioners were brought to court, which we have been brought to court on different occasions. You know, people have different misconceptions.

So anyways, some of the practitioners of Bhakti yoga were brought to court in Europe, so they had these Bhakta yoga hard Krishna practitioners and you had this Catholic man and he was criticizing Krishna, you know, like I just said, and pretty much trying to get the judge to say this is not a bona fide religion. You should stop it. So.

So what happened was that in this particular case, one of the back to yoga practitioners asked the Catholic man, as far as I understand, he asked them, as far as he understand, is that when one takes the vow of a nun. Which none still do exist

and actually interesting enough, I don’t know if all of you know, but there’s like there’s been like an upsurge in, like women becoming nuns recently. There’s also an upsurge of men becoming monks, maybe in some places. So.

So this this Bhakti yoga practitioner was asking the Catholic man, as far as I understand, that when a nun takes the vow, but none means to be single. Not to be with a man to devote their life to Jesus, then there’s some ceremony in which the the nuns, they actually accept Jesus as their husband. And so there’s this this guy, Krishna devotee, he was saying that. Now, the question is, it seems that Jesus Christ has more wives than Krishna.

Anyway, so in this way, the the it was understood that, OK, well, that’s true. You know, you. It’s not so bad after all, you know, Krishna. So anyway, there’s a bit of a side note, but.

So, yeah, you can have these different relationships with Cristiana, and sometimes people ask, why Krishna? So I’ve spoken with a lot.

I’ve spoken with a lot of Bhakti yoga practitioners throughout the world, and I mean, I go to since I became a monk here in 2006, I’ve been here for 14 years as a monk. And every two years we go to India for a month. So I’ve met people in India, I go to America temples, I do some traveling around, so I’ve talked with a lot of people throughout the world and a lot of the times they tell me that what they really appreciate about becoming Hari Krishnas or yeah, you could say joining the movement is that they really appreciate. There’s this really clear conception of God means a lot of them grew up believing in God, but they really didn’t know. OK, what does he look like? Yeah, what’s his name? Where does he look? What does he look like? So within the Vedic literature, it actually describes that Krishna he has lotus eyes, you know, means very beautiful. Even the color of the eyes are described as a peacock feather and his crown and plays a flute and dresses like this. And so there’s a very clear description. And based on that description, you can meditate and develop attraction or love for Krishna.

So are. So when people say, OK, well, why Christina and then a lot of the times our spiritual teacher would say, well, why not? Why not Krishna if you analyze the Bhagavad Gita very systematically or any other books, spiritual books. From this tradition, they’re very philosophically sound, they make sense and aside from them making sense of the practice specifically, I have my bits here is like a demonstration. So these are my beads. And I’ve been chatting on these particular ones for I don’t know. I don’t know, maybe 12 years or something, but so every day I check on each beat. Hi, Christian. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. You’re on the highway. No, no, I’m going to go to the next I and then see one hundred eight bits from this Horikoshi on each the mantra. So you do that one hundred eight times and then we do that 16 times. So that’s about two hours every day with I do so and Hari Krishna. Krishna means one who’s all attractive. So God’s all attractive means the most beautiful and wealthy and intelligent, all that different qualities. And then.

Hara is the feminine energy of Krishna. So, in other words, Krishna, there’s like, you know, people except within those who are. Subscribe to a particular religion or belief in God, they accept generally that, OK, God is the supreme father. That’s a general conception. But there’s also a conception that, OK, if there’s a supreme father, there’s also a supreme mother, so that’s Rothhaar or heart. So when we chat Hari Krishna, Krishna, Krishna, hurry, hurry, hurry, Rama, Rama means of pleasure, happiness. So the idea is that we’re connecting with Krishna, our beautiful one, all attractive one, and the reservoir of pleasure, like an ocean of happiness and horror that this feminine supreme mother. So by doing that, we get to experience some of the happiness, some of the bliss, some of the joy that people are looking for, that everybody is looking for spiritual happiness.

So, yeah, there’s if you look at philosophically, if you look at it in terms of experience, if you look at it just in terms of the amount of detail in a lot of it makes sense. But we’re not asking people to. You could say blindly accept it. So we’re not into that. Blindly accepting. Or,

you know, there’s a saying it’s called or B a term, you know, sometimes people who don’t practice religion or spirituality, they say that all the religion is they have blind faith.

Which means that they have no reason to actually believe what they believe.

So one thing in relation to that, there’s a garbage truck out here now

and it was gas are doing a good service.

So there’s a there’s a term also it’s called blind doubt. So you have blind faith, people’s all, oh, have blind faith, there’s no reason for you to believe what you believe, but there’s also blind doubt that that people have not given spirituality, religion, particular processes. A chance means a chance in terms of, OK, does this make sense, a chance? And like, OK, by me experiencing experimenting with this, does it actually provide any positive results? It’s just blind out like, oh, I don’t want anything to do with it.

So.

So, yeah, to have blind now is is not good.

And also to have blind faith not.

So, of course, it’s a free world, everybody’s, you know, free to do as they like, but. But at least within the Christian tradition or practice.

The idea is to have, like, thorough investigation and then experimentation and then people will see the results actually is that’s a little bit about. Is gone, and Hinduism and Krishna Bhakti Imahara at the temple. We we do many things. We wake up very early and we have our meditations. We have a class every morning and every evening. There’s a cooking here, cleaning. Musical instruments, we have Cureton, it’s we sing Hari Krishna. It’s very beautiful with drums and Cartes cymbals and. So we do a lot of that and, yeah, you could say it’s like it’s an educational institution, so there’s a lot of studying involved and teaching and. And in terms of myself, I. I was raised here in San Diego and

I’ll be thirty too soon this month. And I I first came in contact with this temple when I was 17 years old, I got one I got a book called The Perfection of Yoga. I’m a friend. So I visited this temple with another friend. And then I was visiting for about a year till I was 18. And then I became very attracted by the philosophy and the practice and the people really, you could say, attracted me a lot. And then some of my other monk friends, they they they asked me, oh, maybe you could try try it out for three months, you know, see how you like it. Which we do sometimes if if people are interested, and, yeah, so I did that and then that was like three months became like six months a year, two years, five years, 10 years. That’s been 14 years. So that’s.

And yeah, I don’t I don’t regret, you know what, I have anything, any anything I’ve done so far. I mean, like, I don’t regret, you know, becoming a monk

and. Yeah, in terms of my life. Yeah. I mean, it completely changed it completely changed it practically in every way. You know how I think and what I think the goal of life is and what I read and it just changed everything. But yeah. Diatta like within. This particular tradition specifically nowadays, there’s a big vegan movement happening within Southern California and around America, around the world, but I think Southern California is one of the leading.

Places in that.

Yeah, yeah, they practice veganism now within this particular tradition, it’s not stressed, this idea of veganism, but but specifically vegetarianism, which means that there’s no meat, there’s no fish, there’s no eggs. But there’s there’s other things like whatever honey or or milk, things like that. And the idea is to within the general idea behind veganism and vegetarianism is that.

To reduce the amount of pain that we cause as individuals,

yeah, reduce the amount of pain we’ve caused to other living entities. So in other words, if we could survive nicely and happily and in

health healthy and healthy way, if we could survive without having to take another animal’s life, then why do it? And of course, nowadays, sometimes people that are for a long time about, oh, what about your protein? And, you know, you need me to get that protein. And but this is this is not a sound argument now because one could get plenty of protein through, for example, different types of beans, practically any type of bean. Boil the beans and get your protein. Largely you’ll get enough. And even nowadays, hospitals like Kaiser Permanente, for example, they recommend vegetarian diet and they say, oh, with protein, you know, you’ll have to do this this know, make a few arrangements, but you could get it. I mean, it’s not possible.

Now, if someone says, well, I don’t really, really, I just like the taste or this is how I grew up, or I think that God put animals here to cross to, you know, kilometre, I don’t really believe in God. And, you know, there’s animals there and that’s just how we do it then. OK, fine, fine. Means, again, it’s a free world, but at least within this particular tradition, that it’s understood that, OK, in every living, every living, living organism, there’s a soul. And that like, for example, within America, I mean, I suspect some of you maybe not, I don’t know. But I suspect some of you have animals and maybe some of you have a dog. A dog. Or two or however many and, you know, people think, OK, this idea of man is dogs excuse me, dog is man’s best friend or whatever, woman man’s best friend. So and the principle is, OK, like, you know, the dog’s not judging you. Always happy to see you and things like that. Affectionate. That’s true. This. Now, if you go to India,

the the if you see cows wandering around, it’s a common thing. So but the cows are just as affectionate as dogs.

I remember I was in India one time and I was wearing a garland of flower garland and I was in one kind of it’s a little more developed like kind of village, but now there’s a good amount of people living there and lots of temples. So was I was there. It’s like a place of pilgrimage. I was there. I had my garland flower garland. I went up and I was I was, you know, the cow. You know, like you would a dog, whatever. So and then the cow started eating my garlan, you know. Completely so, yeah, any animal, you know, they have, like, for example, you separate you separate puppies from their mother and they’re going to the mother is going to be sad. Crime, actually, so just you know, that the idea behind OK, well, a dog is, you know, has feelings and, you know, cry dogs cry or miss their master or whatever. Similarly, if we just extend that to whatever cows or all the other animals. So there are good reasons to be vegetarian or. Yeah. So, yeah. And that way, at least from the diet perspective and practically every other perspective, me becoming a monk, a Christian monk has changed many things. So, so I think I’m pretty much.

I pretty much covered, at least in brief, some of the things that I was asked to.

So, yeah, if there’s some questions or comments.

Yeah, thank you for covering all of that information that was really, really interesting. And the fire alarm is over. So I have no background. It was actually quite loud. So I’m glad you did it. But, yeah, you guys are welcome to if you have any questions for Balram, you are welcome to to post them in the chat box and we can read them and ask them that way. There was one question already. Peyton was wondering the name of the individual who started the hard Christianize OK? Yeah, his name is is Divine Grace Acee Bugti with the Swami Prabhupada for very long name. I think I have it. Let me see if it’s on the book. It’s definitely on the book. Yeah, I’ll write it in the chat box right here because I have it. My there’s actually four for any of you if you want to get a very, you know, better a good idea, a better idea. More ideas about about Schuller, the founder of the hawkish movement. There’s actually a movie that just came out well a few years ago. It’s actually a documentary.

In the documentary is it’s called Hari Krishna Exclamation Mark, the Mantra, The Movement and the Swami who started it all the time line. You can look it up. Hari Krishna, the movie.

Of course I like that. Hurry, hurry, Krishna. What do you say? I’m just going to type it. So it seems clear that the mantra, the movement. What was it. Yeah. Hari Krishna exclamation mark the the mantra and tea are a mantra. Homma the movement. Karma and the swami who started it all.

All right, we have a bunch of questions for you now. OK, Caitlin, you said you had a question about about also people could, you know, turn off the video and ask. Yeah, Caitlin, do you want to ask her a question? Yeah, I just typed it. But we were saying when you’re rubbing each bead around the entire necklace and then you do that 16 times, have you ever gone into kind of like a trance or like just got so focused on it? The movie Lost Track of Time or lost count or anything like that, of course.

Yeah, yeah, sure, the Channing through the Channing.

Yeah, depending on your level of absorption and concentration, then, yeah, by definition it says Mom and try Samantha someone means mine like mind entra means to free. So Montera is a set of words that frees your mind. And what is it? Freed from depression and anger and anxiety and just all these negative things that are really like, you know. Really, you could say it’s just like bogging us down in so many different ways. So, yeah, Montera if we get absorbed mantra meditation, then at least for that time and also we see the we see the effects over time because you meditate and then during that time you get absorbed and you know. Experiencing that happiness and then when you’re not meditating it, yeah, you change your consciousness, change changes a good like I’ve seen people who have meditated and I mean I mean, before they practiced mantra meditation. I mean, they looked like like really, really unhappy, really miserable. And actually, I’ve known people who. And that same kind of category, who who would frequently think of suicide, have suicidal thoughts, a low self-esteem, and so just, yeah, really miserable. But then by taking to the process of channeling is so happy and joyful and so much better off. And they’ll say, yeah, these thoughts of suicide actually haven’t had him for a long time, you know, which is quite amazing, actually. So so, yeah, I mean, I’ve had my experiences and.

All right, all right, Rachel, you had a question about the capital God and the lowercase demigods. Do you want to ask it? Do you want to ask it live?

She might not be able to hear me, will she? I’ll just. You can read it and have the chat. She said, your belief is there is one God and semi gods or demigods. What is a different belief of other Hindu groups?

So I think, you know, what are the other groups that focus on other gods? Yeah, well, there’s. There’s the different belief of other Hindu groups.

I mean, like it’s really like a difference of.

It could be quite different, I mean, like. Like, for example, some of the.

Some of the worshippers of college, for example, Derga Lascaris. They say that, OK, you could you could, like, sacrifice a goat and Collierville accepted. And then and then everyone could eat. And there’s all this kind of like worship going on. And but we definitely don’t do that or accept that as a process of socialization. But there yeah, there are many different groups and different ideas. But generally, like you can say, ideas of like, OK, who is God? I mean, that’s that’s a very I guess you mentioned that one belief, one God. But they also have different conceptions of God one. And they also have different conceptions of of of humans like in other words, who we are like some of them will say these Hindu groups, they’ll say, oh well actually everyone is God means that you’re God, I’m God. We just forgot. So that’s a big difference, and because we don’t yeah, we don’t accept that. I don’t know if that answers. And if you want to know more about that or. Yeah, no, I think that’s that’s a good description of how how different all the different groups and denominations, as you said, you know, the word Hinduism is kind of it kind of fools people because they think it’s one unified religion and everybody believes the same thing or practices the same thing. But it really is just this umbrella term that really just originally meant all the, you know, the religions of India other than Islam, Christianity, you know, some of the other other religious traditions. So it’s such a diverse group of denominations. Yeah. Yeah. And then there is Ariana asked growing up, did you ever see yourself becoming a monk? Uh.

No way.

Yeah, I mean, I like. I grew up and I was.

There was like, yeah, I mean, I made my parents, my mother specifically, we were going to different churches and she had some like religious spiritual beliefs. And then, yeah, I was a teenager. But kid, I never thought about it when I was a teenager. I never really thought about it either. And then I just came to the temple and even when I was coming to the temple, I wasn’t really thinking about it much.

I never really considered myself doing that. But but then, you know, after I after I made that step, I know I had a hard time seeing myself doing other things, you know? So that’s really interesting. Yeah. And then you can maybe you can answer. Kadin had kind of a connected question. And in our world religions class, we talk about, you

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